Originally Posted by big_raji
That's EXACTLY the info I was attempting to sort out in my head!!!
Thank you so much! Defo a sticky!!!!
Most of this information is available already in the Rolex basics wiki post at the top of the rolex section by the way folks.
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Big raji gave you some very good information there and deserves a Big Thank you for his effort to help you out.
To me these problems and others dont equal to the asking price of the watch, ok so maybe you get a upgraded bracelet, I'll pass on any rep at that price point.
Originally Posted by mech500
WTF, are you saying the factory isn't marked with a giant LED sign saying Noob Factory??
Originally Posted by zero_deficit
[QUOTE=sub4me;1423188]Big raji gave you some very good information there and deserves a Big Thank you for his effort to help you out.
Hence the "THANK YOU SO MUCH" reply two posts ago!
Also, did not mean to be rude and leave anybody out, so thank you to all of you who took time to post any info whatsoever!
First of all - there's ONLY 4 high end factories in Guangzhou area. Call them how ever you want. Not 5, not 6, but only 4. I don't know, who started this bullshit about "BP" factory, but it's for sure bullshit. One factory made good Sub, and dealers started to call it "Noob" factory. Tis factory is also the only one who make absolutely all hi-end APs. There's no "Cartel factory whatsoever. No factory would restrict sales to only 2 dealers, it's just impossible finances wise. There's tons of 2nd and 3rd tiers factories, who make tons of crap for WE, Canal Street and Turkish/Bkk/younameit/ vendors.
DG-2813 is 22j movement, produced by Dixmont Guangzhou (best) and Nanning (worst) factories. 21,600bph.
DG-4813 produced exclusively by Dixmont Guangzhou, 22j, 28,800bph.
Cold be with long cannon pinion, and with short cannon pinion.
A2824 is, actually, ST-2130 (date @3), A2836 is ST-2100 is an A2836-2 (day/date @3).
A2892 is ST-1812, also, Seagull movement.
It's the same maker who made the 5th gen 42mm PO , and the nice big pilots. When they started cranking out the super lumed rolexes, people were looking for something to refer to them as. So big pilot, hence BP.
Originally Posted by Luthier
It's easier than what Andrew was referring to them as in his newsletter which was "Big Pilot and 5th Gen PO maker", no?
Edit: there's a hangzhou 2836 clone too. Not as high quality as the seagull one
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Theres No such thing as a high end rep and Luth you know that.
3135 is a Rolex movement.... and now it's being cloned but it is not a type of movements that go into reps....
Originally Posted by greecean
The 3135 clone or sa goes into reps.... just sayin
Sure, sub, my bad... I didn't realize, that Avenger with 316L steel case and A7750 is the same shit as Avenger with modified DG-2813 and alloy case, chrome plated...
Originally Posted by sub4me
My deepest apologies...
Great advice right there and great info from BigRaji.
Originally Posted by mech500
I have to admit that with all the abbreviated terms it's no wonder that newcomers get easily confused. It's up the to the very few members who have been in the watch industry and have actually been to China to keep us honest on all of these strange terms that we use.