Attention all Swiss ETA buyers.... Please Read!

LegendofSpeed · 10-22-2008, 04:04 PM

Everyone -
This is an issue that has been slowly creeping up and it is become such an epidemic that we, the staff of RWI, are compelled to inform our members as to information we have been receiving...

Long story short, we are being lead to believe by what we would consider some of our more honest dealers that there are very few genuine ETA movements shipping in watches these days from practically every dealer... and the genuine ETA's that may be found are repaired or reconditioned ETA's from customer returns, QC rejects, etc...

This is not meant to be a blanket statement but please let it serve as an advisory notice... as for myself, I will be purchasing only ETA clones as I truly believe that it is an impracticality to get a genuine Swiss ETA movement... therefore, since I highly doubt I will get Swiss, I will not pay Swiss pricing... the staff feels the same way...

We will work to combat the issue the best we can... but seeing how it is something we can not prove 100% at this time, we can only provide an advisory and seek to call out clones where we can.... a lot of good information is coming from certain dealers (and these dealers will not be named to protect them) who wish to be honest but want a level playing field as well...

Should anyone have questions, please feel free to ask in this thread...

As stated before though, no staff member is to divulge the names of any dealer's who have stepped forward... we rely on the information of certain dealers to be able to see what is going on in GZ and to compromise the trust would destroy that..

hooligan · 10-22-2008, 04:20 PM

I would certainly take a long, hard look at any so-called Swiss ETA movements in any reps I bought. That's for certain.

cybee · 10-22-2008, 04:35 PM

This is good info LOS...I have long since stopped paying for watches with so-called swiss movements. I think these clone movements have been around for longer than we might think, but now with all but extinct supplies of real Eta it is truly the attack of the clones, and they are getting really good.

1leighton1 · 10-22-2008, 04:41 PM

what about the ETA 2678-2. i dont think there is a clone for this movement yet.

drfcfighter · 10-22-2008, 05:00 PM

I really no longer give a rat's ass if the movement works well and is sturdy. For an example, I understand that the ST19 "so called Lemania copy" works like a tank. I'd rather get that movement over a refurbed Swiss with questionable gears. Asian 21Js are also pretty sturdy to begin with, so I don't care anymore. Also, if the ETA clones are as sturdy as the ETA's, then why bother with the "true" ETA's? It would be a different story if they were being sold as true Rolex movements or something.

However, I'm still on the fense about the ETA clones as the verdict is still out on the reliability on them, no?

hooligan · 10-22-2008, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drfcfighter

I really no longer give a rat's ass if the movement works well and is sturdy. For an example, I understand that the ST19 "so called Lemania copy" works like a tank. I'd rather get that movement over a refurbed Swiss with questionable gears. Asian 21Js are also pretty sturdy to begin with, so I don't care anymore. Also, if the ETA clones are as sturdy as the ETA's, then why bother with the "true" ETA's? It would be a different story if they were being sold as true Rolex movements or something.

However, I'm still on the fense about the ETA clones as the verdict is still out on the reliability on them, no?

The bigger issue, IMO, is if/when people are paying a premium for "Swiss" movements and are actually getting clones.

Yes, I believe that the jury is still out on the reliability of these clone movements.

LegendofSpeed · 10-22-2008, 05:06 PM

The issue at hand is the paying of a premium for "Swiss" and not getting a "Swiss"...

LegendofSpeed · 10-22-2008, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hooligan

The bigger issue, IMO, is if/when people are paying a premium for "Swiss" movements and are actually getting clones.

Damn you Hooli... I'd be pissed you beat me to the punch if you weren't such a great guy.. oh wait, I forgot about today... you're a jerk!

hooligan · 10-22-2008, 05:08 PM

I'm still a great guy. I'm just also an enabler... :twisted:

hk45ca · 10-22-2008, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendOfSpeed

The issue at hand is the paying of a premium for "Swiss" and not getting a "Swiss"...

it's funny how all of this just keeps coming back around to the little white lies thread over and over again isn't it?

10-22-2008, 04:04 PM	#1
LegendofSpeed So Far Ahead of My Time Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,042	Attention all Swiss ETA buyers.... Please Read! Everyone - This is an issue that has been slowly creeping up and it is become such an epidemic that we, the staff of RWI, are compelled to inform our members as to information we have been receiving... Long story short, we are being lead to believe by what we would consider some of our more honest dealers that there are very few genuine ETA movements shipping in watches these days from practically every dealer... and the genuine ETA's that may be found are repaired or reconditioned ETA's from customer returns, QC rejects, etc... This is not meant to be a blanket statement but please let it serve as an advisory notice... as for myself, I will be purchasing only ETA clones as I truly believe that it is an impracticality to get a genuine Swiss ETA movement... therefore, since I highly doubt I will get Swiss, I will not pay Swiss pricing... the staff feels the same way... We will work to combat the issue the best we can... but seeing how it is something we can not prove 100% at this time, we can only provide an advisory and seek to call out clones where we can.... a lot of good information is coming from certain dealers (and these dealers will not be named to protect them) who wish to be honest but want a level playing field as well... Should anyone have questions, please feel free to ask in this thread... As stated before though, no staff member is to divulge the names of any dealer's who have stepped forward... we rely on the information of certain dealers to be able to see what is going on in GZ and to compromise the trust would destroy that..

10-22-2008, 04:20 PM	#2
hooligan Admin About Town Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In my own little world Posts: 7,611	Re: Attention all Swiss ETA buyers.... Please Read! I would certainly take a long, hard look at any so-called Swiss ETA movements in any reps I bought. That's for certain.

10-22-2008, 04:35 PM	#3
cybee VIP MEMBER / SUPPORTER! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Andreas Fault--Onion Fields--Big Sur Posts: 4,419	Re: Attention all Swiss ETA buyers.... Please Read! This is good info LOS...I have long since stopped paying for watches with so-called swiss movements. I think these clone movements have been around for longer than we might think, but now with all but extinct supplies of real Eta it is truly the attack of the clones, and they are getting really good.

10-22-2008, 04:41 PM	#4
1leighton1 VIP MEMBER / SUPPORTER! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 86	Re: Attention all Swiss ETA buyers.... Please Read! what about the ETA 2678-2. i dont think there is a clone for this movement yet.

10-22-2008, 05:00 PM	#5
drfcfighter VIP MEMBER / SUPPORTER! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: where smart ppl live Posts: 1,282	Re: Attention all Swiss ETA buyers.... Please Read! I really no longer give a rat's ass if the movement works well and is sturdy. For an example, I understand that the ST19 "so called Lemania copy" works like a tank. I'd rather get that movement over a refurbed Swiss with questionable gears. Asian 21Js are also pretty sturdy to begin with, so I don't care anymore. Also, if the ETA clones are as sturdy as the ETA's, then why bother with the "true" ETA's? It would be a different story if they were being sold as true Rolex movements or something. However, I'm still on the fense about the ETA clones as the verdict is still out on the reliability on them, no? __________________ "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" Ralph Wiggum 3:16 Gens "To Buy" List: 14060M, GMTIIC, & 42PO. Reps "To Buy" List: white DJII, PAM111, 2010 Explorer, & JackJoSD.

10-22-2008, 05:06 PM	#7
LegendofSpeed So Far Ahead of My Time Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,042	Re: Attention all Swiss ETA buyers.... Please Read! The issue at hand is the paying of a premium for "Swiss" and not getting a "Swiss"...

10-22-2008, 05:08 PM	#9
hooligan Admin About Town Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In my own little world Posts: 7,611	Re: Attention all Swiss ETA buyers.... Please Read! I'm still a great guy. I'm just also an enabler... :twisted:

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